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		<title>By: Rori Raye</title>
		<link>http://blog.havetherelationshipyouwant.com/attraction/dating-stops-relationship-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-2519</link>
		<dc:creator>Rori Raye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Alison, And I&#039;m very confused about your problem.  You sound both offended and rejected, and yet like a man in your approach to sex.  It&#039;s usually a man who wants to have sex, and yet you seem to find men who don&#039;t. And then you pursue them sexually and they aren&#039;t interested.  Is this all you want in a relationship?  Sex?  Are you living in a culture that&#039;s different from what I understand? 

No woman on this planet should ever be &quot;asking for sex.&quot;  This kind of thing shows up often in long marriages and in relationships that are having other difficulties - but certainly not at the beginning. 

Please start with my ebook so you understand how you&#039;re pushing these men away and can try some Tools to change that right now.  I wish you luck and look forward to hearing from you again. Love, Rori</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Alison, And I&#8217;m very confused about your problem.  You sound both offended and rejected, and yet like a man in your approach to sex.  It&#8217;s usually a man who wants to have sex, and yet you seem to find men who don&#8217;t. And then you pursue them sexually and they aren&#8217;t interested.  Is this all you want in a relationship?  Sex?  Are you living in a culture that&#8217;s different from what I understand? </p>
<p>No woman on this planet should ever be &#8220;asking for sex.&#8221;  This kind of thing shows up often in long marriages and in relationships that are having other difficulties &#8211; but certainly not at the beginning. </p>
<p>Please start with my ebook so you understand how you&#8217;re pushing these men away and can try some Tools to change that right now.  I wish you luck and look forward to hearing from you again. Love, Rori</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Rori, I&#039;m trying to work on how to welcome my anger feelings and not to resist them but I have a difficulty. When I like a man and we get a little bit physically closer just by a small gesture he has, or a kiss, I feel impressed and really do not know how to show him I want more, as if, in my view, he would be offended if I asked for sex. The result is always the same: he pushes away after a variable time and I feel a huge anger because I feel very strongly he refused to sleep with me and to have fun and intimacy. So, the situation is very tense after that. In this case, not resisting my feelings would be telling him &quot;I feel angry because you did not sleep with me!&quot;? Or is it my job to solve this problem on my own (without telling him anything)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Rori, I&#8217;m trying to work on how to welcome my anger feelings and not to resist them but I have a difficulty. When I like a man and we get a little bit physically closer just by a small gesture he has, or a kiss, I feel impressed and really do not know how to show him I want more, as if, in my view, he would be offended if I asked for sex. The result is always the same: he pushes away after a variable time and I feel a huge anger because I feel very strongly he refused to sleep with me and to have fun and intimacy. So, the situation is very tense after that. In this case, not resisting my feelings would be telling him &#8220;I feel angry because you did not sleep with me!&#8221;? Or is it my job to solve this problem on my own (without telling him anything)?</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://blog.havetherelationshipyouwant.com/attraction/dating-stops-relationship-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read Christian Carter&#039;s book too, and yes, some parts made me feel anxious and shrinking!  But I&#039;ve got to say - when I&#039;m feeling un-selfconscious, relaxed and playful, I surprise even myself in the flirting department.  

I was at a music event last year and the musicians were young men who called each other &#039;dude&#039;.  In the UK we use the term &#039;bloke&#039; and my girlfriend and I got into a fun discussion about it.  Next thing, I&#039;m standing next to an attractive man my own age and I said &#039;So - would you say you&#039;re a dude or a bloke?&#039; and he said &#039;Well now, I&#039;m a geezer&#039;.  And we&#039;ve been friends since, in fact lovers for a while.  Great free therapy for both of us lol!! (I hope the UK humour translates across the Atlantic or my point will be completely lost I fear...!)

It was a spontaneous, unplanned remark that had great results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read Christian Carter&#8217;s book too, and yes, some parts made me feel anxious and shrinking!  But I&#8217;ve got to say &#8211; when I&#8217;m feeling un-selfconscious, relaxed and playful, I surprise even myself in the flirting department.  </p>
<p>I was at a music event last year and the musicians were young men who called each other &#8216;dude&#8217;.  In the UK we use the term &#8216;bloke&#8217; and my girlfriend and I got into a fun discussion about it.  Next thing, I&#8217;m standing next to an attractive man my own age and I said &#8216;So &#8211; would you say you&#8217;re a dude or a bloke?&#8217; and he said &#8216;Well now, I&#8217;m a geezer&#8217;.  And we&#8217;ve been friends since, in fact lovers for a while.  Great free therapy for both of us lol!! (I hope the UK humour translates across the Atlantic or my point will be completely lost I fear&#8230;!)</p>
<p>It was a spontaneous, unplanned remark that had great results.</p>
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		<title>By: Rori Raye</title>
		<link>http://blog.havetherelationshipyouwant.com/attraction/dating-stops-relationship-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>Rori Raye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashley - RIFF on the frustration - don&#039;t make it a &quot;given...&quot;  You&#039;re going about this the right way - from the inside out - and putting yourself in places to experiment with men, and using the &quot;Choose Your Words&quot; part of the Rori Raye Mantra to work from the outside in, too. Love, Rori</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley &#8211; RIFF on the frustration &#8211; don&#8217;t make it a &#8220;given&#8230;&#8221;  You&#8217;re going about this the right way &#8211; from the inside out &#8211; and putting yourself in places to experiment with men, and using the &#8220;Choose Your Words&#8221; part of the Rori Raye Mantra to work from the outside in, too. Love, Rori</p>
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		<title>By: Rori Raye</title>
		<link>http://blog.havetherelationshipyouwant.com/attraction/dating-stops-relationship-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>Rori Raye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reshi - Your botanical story is amazing, and the video games in bed is amazing, too - and it&#039;s OKAY if he gives a logical answer - listen to him.  Then take it from there.  The idea is just to get emotionally closer by communicating on a deeper level - keep doing what you&#039;re doing. Love, Rori</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reshi &#8211; Your botanical story is amazing, and the video games in bed is amazing, too &#8211; and it&#8217;s OKAY if he gives a logical answer &#8211; listen to him.  Then take it from there.  The idea is just to get emotionally closer by communicating on a deeper level &#8211; keep doing what you&#8217;re doing. Love, Rori</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rori, I totally agree with you. I have read Christian Carter&#039;s e-book and I gained a LOT from it. But at the same time, this part of it troubled me. Because it almost made me feel inadequate.....like being myself isn&#039;t enough for a guy. I understand how this kind of flirting and being as interesting and unpredictable can be intriguing. But it does feel like so much WORK. And how long can you keep that up, if it isn&#039;t something that comes naturally to you?? I feel like a guy would just see right through that once he got to know me better.

Although maybe Christian&#039;s techniques here are meant to be used more in the early phases of attraction, to get a guy hooked? I don&#039;t know. I don&#039;t even like the sound of trying to &quot;hook&quot; a guy....he should be trying to hook me! HE should be doing all this &quot;work.&quot; Ugh this feels very frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rori, I totally agree with you. I have read Christian Carter&#8217;s e-book and I gained a LOT from it. But at the same time, this part of it troubled me. Because it almost made me feel inadequate&#8230;..like being myself isn&#8217;t enough for a guy. I understand how this kind of flirting and being as interesting and unpredictable can be intriguing. But it does feel like so much WORK. And how long can you keep that up, if it isn&#8217;t something that comes naturally to you?? I feel like a guy would just see right through that once he got to know me better.</p>
<p>Although maybe Christian&#8217;s techniques here are meant to be used more in the early phases of attraction, to get a guy hooked? I don&#8217;t know. I don&#8217;t even like the sound of trying to &#8220;hook&#8221; a guy&#8230;.he should be trying to hook me! HE should be doing all this &#8220;work.&#8221; Ugh this feels very frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Reshi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine that Christian&#039;s flirting technique would work if the right words come to your mind NATURALLY.  I&#039;m actually not a funny person naturally but I grew up with two sisters who are, so I had excellent training...so it&#039;s easy for me to flirt in a teasing kind of way.

On the subject of experimenting, I did something interesting today.  It was beautiful out, so I got all dressed up and went to the local botanic garden.  Now this is not generally a place where one would find single guys wandering around, but I got it in my head that I would go to this one specific area of the garden, and there I would find a man and use Rori&#039;s tools to get him to take a picture of me.  

So I&#039;m going about my business, giving myself up to trees, alternately feeling like a goddess and a freak.  I got to my intended destination and suddenly was overcome by a feeling of disappointment, I felt that I would not succeed in my goal of finding a guy to photograph me.  And then I felt resigned to that disappointment, and went on exploring...I was pretty much Riffing without the benefit of being able to write the feelings down...and then out of the blue two beautiful young men wandered in and were taking pictures of the garden.  I watched from a safe distance to figure out whether I was actually going to get up the nerve to approach--and I know I&#039;m not supposed to approach men for dating but I figured I might as well do it for an experiment--and it looked safe, so I walked up about 7 feet away from one of them and then just stood there in the Rori Raye Dance Position and smiled and said hi.

I definitely had the guy&#039;s attention so I made my request, and he very graciously obliged.  And then I wandered away and spent pretty much the next 10 minutes shaking because I was so amazed by what had just happened.  And I looked up and they were there watching me from a safe distance, and then I got the hell out of there before they realized that I saw them!  LOL.

Those guys definitely had a message for me and I think the message is &quot;You CAN get what you want, even if you think it&#039;s unlikely and have just about given up on getting it.&quot;

Of course, then I came home and couldn&#039;t get my husband&#039;s attention long enough to express even 1/100 of what I&#039;d experienced during the day...how frustrating...I went upstairs and sank into my feelings and just sobbed for a while, and then got bored with that and started dancing, and my intuition kicked in and told me that I could just go downstairs and get in his bed and play video games.  And I&#039;d been afraid to do this because it seemed like leaning forward, but the response was actually NOT negative, I got the attention and conversation that I wanted, and felt better, and I think he felt better because I wasn&#039;t being tense or weird.

Now a question for Rori:  What do you do if your man&#039;s standard response to your Feeling Messages is &quot;WHY?&quot;  And then you explain why with another feeling message and he follows up by trying to make a logical statement out of it...argh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine that Christian&#8217;s flirting technique would work if the right words come to your mind NATURALLY.  I&#8217;m actually not a funny person naturally but I grew up with two sisters who are, so I had excellent training&#8230;so it&#8217;s easy for me to flirt in a teasing kind of way.</p>
<p>On the subject of experimenting, I did something interesting today.  It was beautiful out, so I got all dressed up and went to the local botanic garden.  Now this is not generally a place where one would find single guys wandering around, but I got it in my head that I would go to this one specific area of the garden, and there I would find a man and use Rori&#8217;s tools to get him to take a picture of me.  </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m going about my business, giving myself up to trees, alternately feeling like a goddess and a freak.  I got to my intended destination and suddenly was overcome by a feeling of disappointment, I felt that I would not succeed in my goal of finding a guy to photograph me.  And then I felt resigned to that disappointment, and went on exploring&#8230;I was pretty much Riffing without the benefit of being able to write the feelings down&#8230;and then out of the blue two beautiful young men wandered in and were taking pictures of the garden.  I watched from a safe distance to figure out whether I was actually going to get up the nerve to approach&#8211;and I know I&#8217;m not supposed to approach men for dating but I figured I might as well do it for an experiment&#8211;and it looked safe, so I walked up about 7 feet away from one of them and then just stood there in the Rori Raye Dance Position and smiled and said hi.</p>
<p>I definitely had the guy&#8217;s attention so I made my request, and he very graciously obliged.  And then I wandered away and spent pretty much the next 10 minutes shaking because I was so amazed by what had just happened.  And I looked up and they were there watching me from a safe distance, and then I got the hell out of there before they realized that I saw them!  LOL.</p>
<p>Those guys definitely had a message for me and I think the message is &#8220;You CAN get what you want, even if you think it&#8217;s unlikely and have just about given up on getting it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, then I came home and couldn&#8217;t get my husband&#8217;s attention long enough to express even 1/100 of what I&#8217;d experienced during the day&#8230;how frustrating&#8230;I went upstairs and sank into my feelings and just sobbed for a while, and then got bored with that and started dancing, and my intuition kicked in and told me that I could just go downstairs and get in his bed and play video games.  And I&#8217;d been afraid to do this because it seemed like leaning forward, but the response was actually NOT negative, I got the attention and conversation that I wanted, and felt better, and I think he felt better because I wasn&#8217;t being tense or weird.</p>
<p>Now a question for Rori:  What do you do if your man&#8217;s standard response to your Feeling Messages is &#8220;WHY?&#8221;  And then you explain why with another feeling message and he follows up by trying to make a logical statement out of it&#8230;argh.</p>
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		<title>By: Rori Raye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rori Raye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely adore Christian Carter.  He&#039;s my friend, I work with him, I&#039;ve appeared on his programs, and he&#039;s mentored me in a business sense.

I think his contribution to women is gigantic.

And in this one area - it&#039;s not that we disagree - it&#039;s that it&#039;s not my style.

In my experience, being clever, funny, flirty and coming up with smart one-liners and questions to start a conversation with a man is very, very, very advanced work.

I&#039;m pretty funny in normal conversation, but I don&#039;t think I could do this properly.

The problem with it is it requires THOUGHT.  It requires being in your head, it requires moving away from your body and your feelings for the time it takes to think this up and say it - and that&#039;s what all my work is about -  moving AWAY from thinking.

Also - in real life - if what&#039;s really going on is that you feel anxious and want to call him - then saying something like this will be utterly inauthentic - he&#039;ll get right away from your &quot;vibe&quot; that you&#039;re feeling insecure and weird and want to talk with him.  So it won&#039;t work.

And - the whole thing seems like so much EFFORT - doesn&#039;t it? And the moment you start &quot;efforting&quot; - that&#039;s when you start feeling resentful, you start feeling bad - it boomerangs on YOU.

That said - I&#039;m all about EXPERIMENTING.  If this feels like your style, try it and let the rest of us know how it FELT to you.

Love, Rori</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely adore Christian Carter.  He&#8217;s my friend, I work with him, I&#8217;ve appeared on his programs, and he&#8217;s mentored me in a business sense.</p>
<p>I think his contribution to women is gigantic.</p>
<p>And in this one area &#8211; it&#8217;s not that we disagree &#8211; it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s not my style.</p>
<p>In my experience, being clever, funny, flirty and coming up with smart one-liners and questions to start a conversation with a man is very, very, very advanced work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty funny in normal conversation, but I don&#8217;t think I could do this properly.</p>
<p>The problem with it is it requires THOUGHT.  It requires being in your head, it requires moving away from your body and your feelings for the time it takes to think this up and say it &#8211; and that&#8217;s what all my work is about &#8211;  moving AWAY from thinking.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; in real life &#8211; if what&#8217;s really going on is that you feel anxious and want to call him &#8211; then saying something like this will be utterly inauthentic &#8211; he&#8217;ll get right away from your &#8220;vibe&#8221; that you&#8217;re feeling insecure and weird and want to talk with him.  So it won&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>And &#8211; the whole thing seems like so much EFFORT &#8211; doesn&#8217;t it? And the moment you start &#8220;efforting&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s when you start feeling resentful, you start feeling bad &#8211; it boomerangs on YOU.</p>
<p>That said &#8211; I&#8217;m all about EXPERIMENTING.  If this feels like your style, try it and let the rest of us know how it FELT to you.</p>
<p>Love, Rori</p>
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		<title>By: Daria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rori...

here&#039;s some food for thought... what is your imput on this...

&quot;If you want a man to call back, give him a &quot;reason&quot; that&#039;s interesting, unpredictable, fun, etc.
    But most importantly, it&#039;s got to be a reason that will make him FEEL ATTRACTION for you.
    If you do something less predictable, like tell him...
    &#039;Hey, since you&#039;re going to Europe, if you&#039;re good I&#039;ll tell you a few secrets about what makes the French such great lovers... or great cooks... whichever you&#039;re more curious about...&#039;&quot; - Christian Carter newsletter

Although a little corny, this seems to be trying to teach women to flirt... What do you think?  Is this too leaning forward... or within bounds?  It also seems to be setting the tone as having the man chase us because of the &quot;if you&#039;re good&quot; part...  

Do you think this is a good way of flirting... or will it backfire because it&#039;s not a feeling message?

I seem to have lost some of the playfulness of how I used to flirt and gone into a more mysterious, deep &quot;feeling&quot; way of communicating with men... but am interested in experimenting and also how to work this into our feeling way of being...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rori&#8230;</p>
<p>here&#8217;s some food for thought&#8230; what is your imput on this&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you want a man to call back, give him a &#8220;reason&#8221; that&#8217;s interesting, unpredictable, fun, etc.<br />
    But most importantly, it&#8217;s got to be a reason that will make him FEEL ATTRACTION for you.<br />
    If you do something less predictable, like tell him&#8230;<br />
    &#8216;Hey, since you&#8217;re going to Europe, if you&#8217;re good I&#8217;ll tell you a few secrets about what makes the French such great lovers&#8230; or great cooks&#8230; whichever you&#8217;re more curious about&#8230;&#8217;&#8221; &#8211; Christian Carter newsletter</p>
<p>Although a little corny, this seems to be trying to teach women to flirt&#8230; What do you think?  Is this too leaning forward&#8230; or within bounds?  It also seems to be setting the tone as having the man chase us because of the &#8220;if you&#8217;re good&#8221; part&#8230;  </p>
<p>Do you think this is a good way of flirting&#8230; or will it backfire because it&#8217;s not a feeling message?</p>
<p>I seem to have lost some of the playfulness of how I used to flirt and gone into a more mysterious, deep &#8220;feeling&#8221; way of communicating with men&#8230; but am interested in experimenting and also how to work this into our feeling way of being&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reshi....I think that I am finally getting the hang of some of the steps and I have gotten to feel a little of the awesome things that you have been feeling in working thru all of this...I am so happy for you....thanks for posting...your posts have helped me so much.

Love and hugs.....Cassandra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reshi&#8230;.I think that I am finally getting the hang of some of the steps and I have gotten to feel a little of the awesome things that you have been feeling in working thru all of this&#8230;I am so happy for you&#8230;.thanks for posting&#8230;your posts have helped me so much.</p>
<p>Love and hugs&#8230;..Cassandra</p>
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