He’s Staying Over At His Ex-Girlfriend’s House - What To Do…

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Here’s a piece of a comment from Roxanne  (you can read her whole comment here: )

“Rori, I have been in a relationship for over 2 yrs now. He loves me, treats me like a queen. Made commitments to me but continues to sleep over at his x girlfriends saying she is just a x and is doing secretary work only. They split over 4 yrs ago he lives out of town…So when here he stays with me 8-15 nites a month and then he also sleeps at her place when not with me. I feel like musical beds…He says he does not sleep with her or have sex but I question this. He does tell me he loves me not something he tells others…

(Note from Rori - at this point,    accepted a simple date with another man, and her man got angry…)

“I made a comment that he was free to do as he wanted - he was a free bird and so was I. If he wanted musical beds then so be it. But I would not clip his wings and I too am free…He left here angry an stomped out…Was this wrong or the dating thing since he had committed to me and we had discussed our relationship prior and I did explain to him I was confused and I needed him to help me understand his need to still sleep over there…when I am just less then a few blocks away… Did I make a mistake to try to date?

Here’s my answer:

Roxanne, the first thing I want to tweak seriously here is the order of things: 

If you’ve “agreed” to “Exclusivity,” if you’re already IN the “Girlfriend Trap” - you have to TALK first, then date.

If you HAVEN’T officially made a commitment to exclusivity - you can date first, and THEN talk.

You’ve allowed your frustration and anger (justified, yes) to run you, here.

What you have is a man who is not ready to “commit” - if commitment means to you living in the same house, perhaps even married.

Therefore - it’s an absolute TRAP for you to commit to ANY kind of exclusivity other than sexual - if that’s what you want (many women don’t require that - but that’s not me, and I don’t know too many women who could thrive in a non-exclusive sexual relationship - but I do know several, each quite amazing and unusual, yet I know it wouldn’t work for me).

You must Circular Date until you have the exact commitment you DO want.  And clearly, you don’t have the commitment you want.

Now - under your current “contract” - he’s got you as a steady girlfriend - whenever he wants you, and he can hang out with his “friend” whenever he wants to.

There’s not a man on the planet who doesn’t know what “commitment” means - it means living with YOU, not in two or three separate places - and he’s not at that stage yet.

The thing is - you can’t DATE other men out of spite.  You can’t do it to get back at him, or to ASSERT your “freedom.”  You do it for you.  So that YOU feel sane, like you’re not waiting around.  So you feel strong enough to be VERY SOFT when he DOES show up.  In other words, so you’re not ANGRY with him for living his life the way he wants to live his life right now.

If you’re angry and resentful - it’s not because of what HE’S doing - it’s because you feel you’re compromising yourself, you feel stuck, you feel like you’re committing too much of your heart and time and energy to him and not getting it in return.  It’s very important to “match” a man at the very most.  the moment you start doing and feeling MORE - you’re going to feel angry and resentful.

So - this is something you’re in control of.  Where you focus, and how you treat yourself.  If you treat yourself wonderfully, you can feel open and loving with him, and that’s what you want.

HOWEVER - you DID make the exclusivity commitment - so if you’re going to break it - and you already have, and you MUST - this is how you do it (and then I’ll tell you what to do now…):

1. You Date Yourself.  Get dressed up and go out where there are men and -

2. Flirt.  Smile, hold eyecontact, practice leaning back and Receiving.

So - you can STILL do those NOW.  And I want you to go out and do that.  It’s not about HIM - it’s to make YOU feel better, stronger, more attractive. And then -

3. You TALK to your man. Share that you’re feeling unsettled, and you know things are off and that you’ve upset him by dating, and that you feel upset and angry about where the relationship is at, and is he open to talking about it now.  (And if not now, make an appointment.)

Share that you’re “looking for the whole enchilada - that it would feel great to live with him all the time, and that until he’s ready to move out of his ex-girlfriend’s house, you’d like to keep all yur options open.”

He’ll say - “But I’m not DOING anything with her - she’s just a friend - and it’s my office” -he’ll go on and on making no sense at all to you, but perfect sense to him.

You say: “I hear you.  I hear that you love me and want to be with me, and that this living arrangement is very convenient for you, and I understand.  And what I want is a relationship where we live together, go to bed together every night, wake up together every morning, and spend our free time with each other.  I don’t want another woman in the picture. I understand that this isn’t where you’re at right now, and you’re entitled to have things the way you want. And yet, it doesn’t feel good to me to be exclusive with you under these circumstances.  I would NEVER sleep with or have sex with anyone but you, and I’m trusting that you aren’t, as you say you aren’t sleeping with (ex-girlfriend’s name here) or anyone else - and yet, I need to keep my options open for coffee dates and lunch dates, even dinner dates - so that if there’s a man out there who’d like what I want, he can find me. It just doesn’t feel good to WAIT for you in this way.”

And that’s a “Speech” - you do it one sentence at a time, and listen to him in-between your sentences - REALLY listen, at Level 2 (Listening at Level 2 is in my ebook) when he speaks.

After you get this straight, you may feel sad if he doesn’t step up right away (give him time) - but you won’t feel angry.

Your anger isn’t becasue of what he’s doing, it’s because of what YOU’RE tolerating and the effort YOU are putting out.

Please let me know if you’re in this same situation as Roxanne, I’ll reply to your comments as well.

Roxanne - try this, let me know how it works - even if all you do is just CONSIDER doing this and practice putting together a Speech.

Love, Rori

 

 

 

 

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4 Comments to “He’s Staying Over At His Ex-Girlfriend’s House - What To Do…”

  1. alias girl says:

    i don’t understand how you are so smart, rori. all your tools and advice and suggestions feel so right on. And yet it’s scary. baby step by baby step. it’s scary to think i might lose the one i really want because he can’t/won’t step up. it’s also scary to possibly get what i really want (from him or a new man). i have new men really wanting to treat me nice and it is scary. i’m not kidding. i crawled under my bed last night because i felt so out of control and scared. at least it felt safe under my bed. i mean i crawled back out after a minute of crying but oh ok feeling like a crazy person here. but it made me realize how powerful feelings can be sometimes. i see now and have more compassion for men when they just shut down their feelings or are reluctant to get involved right away. because if it’s scary for me—-who has a lot more tools and support…how scary it must be for a man—who has no tools and no support—for dealing or processing his feelings. i am grateful for this process. also i am feeling a little greedy. :) I want big changes in all areas of my life RIGHT NOW!!!

    Monday, 6 October 2008 @ 6:15pm

  2. Daria says:

    Ditto on feeling greedy! Hehehe…
    Thank you Rori. The speech plan you laid out was very helpful… and clarified a lot for me…

    Monday, 6 October 2008 @ 11:01pm

  3. Chloe says:

    Wow–this is powerful: “After you get this straight, you may feel sad if he doesn’t step up right away (give him time) - but you won’t feel angry.

    Your anger isn’t becasue of what he’s doing, it’s because of what YOU’RE tolerating and the effort YOU are putting out.”

    I can’t believe how often I stuff what I’m really feeling with my boyfriend and just go along because I am afraid I will feel sad! Which always makes me mad at myself and leads me to feeling sad anyway, along with anger at myself.

    Thank you so much for this blog–I have spent the last hour reading and learning.

    Tuesday, 7 October 2008 @ 9:36am

  4. Roxanne says:

    rori and all who comment on this.. i have not heard a word since he left 12 days ago.. i feel he is contimplating our conversations. i had to call him on a problem i had with one of his tools,other then that our conversation was wonderful but i have not returned a call at all to him and i have not heard from him.I thought he may be here next week but i do not know for sure since i have not heard from him at all. but i do love your speach you wrote for me to practice on and i do intend to do this.. because it does not feel good to me to not hear from him as well as tolerateing myself for just sitting back while he bounces back an forth. i have been dating myself still only more so not just in the Hardware stores but in restaurants an bars and going out with friends and thier men friends as a tagalong.. that is ok but i also get to meet more men and i do talk to them and practice your tools of eye contact.i am involved in my art work and other things but i long for him my heart hurts when i am not with him or feel close in spirit with him. perhaps i have closed this connection in fear of my own pain of sitting back i do not know but this heart opening tool i use to keep my heart open is in the proccess of trying to keep my options open. It is expensive to treat myself all the time but i am doing my best. I ALSO FOUND some new tools you may want to reccommend one is not just love your self an your own feelings but go ahead and love the other person too keep the love connection open all the way.. liking is ok.. My trouble is i do not really want to be with another man in a open relationship but the one i love. i am finding it hard really hard to let another man kiss or touch me.. that feels icky.. but to just talk and eat with or say hi too and feel conversations out is ok. but the actually DATE that is icky feeling. that deos not feel good to me to do this.. So the baby steps well at this point i will just keep the options open on just talking an eating or having a glass of wine with .. and off home alone..now maybe after my converstaion with him when he returns when ever may change my mind i do not know. but the going back an forth from me to the x just is not a good feeling to me. am i wrong to call it musical beds? even if he is supposedly not sleeping with her ot touching her? I just do not like it any longer and i really feel your right he just is doing what makes him content and is easy for him because of past habits… and he is used to having his way. I do not know but i do not depend onhim for any monetary financial means what so ever. i live in my own means as the others have always been after him for his money and they need his support and have tolerated his back an forth for it to use him .. i do not an never will..HE WOULD LIKE ME TO ACCEPT HIS MONEY and let him help me out but i won’t.. Is this perhaps a issue i do not understand..Is his money his power he uses and wants to use over women? i do not know but i have always been independent and now i just do not know how to let his money contribute. or ask him if i am low.. does this sound famillure?do other women have these issues? Is money like physical duties? you should let men do?

    Thursday, 16 October 2008 @ 9:44pm

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